Call to Order and Roll Call
The1st meeting of the Budget Review Subcommittee on Primary and Secondary Education of the Interim Joint Committee on Appropriations and Revenue was held on Thursday, June 28, 2012, at 10:00 AM, in Room 171 of the Capitol Annex. Representative Derrick Graham, Chair, called the meeting to order, and the secretary called the roll.
Members:Representative Derrick Graham, Co-Chair; Senator Gerald A. Neal, and; Representatives John "Bam" Carney, Ted Edmonds, Dennis Horlander, Rick G. Nelson, Carl Rollins II, Steven Rudy, and John Will Stacy.
Guests: Robert L. King, President, Council on Postsecondary Education; Michael Jones,
Executive Director, Office of Management and Administration, Department of Military Affairs; John W. Smith, Director, Kentucky Youth ChalleNGe/Bluegrass ChalleNGe Academy; Croley Forester, Director, Appalachian ChalleNGe Academy.
New Adult Learner Initiative
President Robert L. King, Council on Postsecondary, gave a presentation on a new adult learner initiative.
In response to a question asked by, Representative Adams, President King said that currently 70 percent of undergraduates are traditional students. He added that the focus of the university business model is still on the traditional student versus an adult learner or non-traditional student. Representative Adams expressed apprehension that this program may be duplicative of what universities are currently doing to attract adult learners. The council agreed to provide data on the trend of traditional versus non-traditional students in the state’s postsecondary education system.
Chairman Simpson said the good thing about restricting this program to one or two lead institutions is that energy and advertisements can be a shared effort instead of each institution trying to reach this group of adult learners individually.
In response to a question asked by, Representative Rollins, President King, said that the Western Governors’ University was evaluated during the planning stages of this initiative. John Hayek said that the market is so large and given the current structure of higher learning institutions that promoting a Commonwealth College concept was a better fit for Kentucky. Representative Rollins added that three year degrees would be a great cost savings measure for this program.
Representative Carney expressed concern over recreating the wheel with a program like this. In response to a question from, Representative Carney, President King stated two universities are particularly interested in managing and serving as the degree granting institution. President King said a RFP is being developed in order to choose the institution to take on the program.
Representative Graham said he agrees this is the type of program that will ready the Commonwealth for when the economy recovers.
In response to a question asked by, Representative Adams, President King said that the requested $2 million per year is for the entire project not just marketing. He added that the tuition revenue should support the larger operations in addition to the state support.
Representative Combs stated that creating jobs and creating the economy is accomplished throughout the higher education process.
Representative Richards stated that college savings plans need to be advertised more so that parents and grandparents can plan better for their children’s education because those with a higher level of education will make more money in the workforce.
In response to a question asked by, Senator Neal, President King said that success will be measured by how many students are brought into the program and go on to earn a degree.
Appalachian ChalleNGe Academy
Michael Jones, Executive Director, Office of Management and Administration
Department of Military Affairs gave a status report on the Appalachian ChalleNGe Academy.
In response to a question from, Chairman Graham, Mr. Jones stated that initially the Department of Juvenile Justice was providing $700,000 and currently they provide $500,000 to the Academy.
In response to a question from, Representative Nelson, Kevin Brown, General Counsel, Department of Education answered that the ChalleNGe Academy is not regulated because it is not technically a school. He added that the regulations are based on district policies.
In response to a question from, Chairman Graham, Hiren Desai, Associate Commissioner, Department of Education added that using the SEEK formula has been challenging. He added that the school districts are supportive of the academies. Mr. Desai stated that based on estimated calculations the Kentucky Department of Education is on track to pay for the academies out of SEEK funding. Mr. Desai urged the committee to consider direct line item funding for the academies in the future.
Representative Carney and Representative Richards expressed their appreciation for the academy and thanked the presenters for their presentation.
In response to a question from, Chairman Graham, Mr. Jones answered that the 48 academy employees are state employees paid for through a federal grant. He added that some teachers are certified and some are not.
With no further business before the Committee, the meeting was adjourned at 11:57 a.m.