Interim Joint Committee on Appropriations and Revenue

 

Budget Review Subcommittee on Primary and Secondary Education

 

Minutes of the<MeetNo1> 2nd Meeting

of the 2011 Interim

 

<MeetMDY1> July 28, 2011

 

Call to Order and Roll Call

The<MeetNo2> 2nd meeting of the Budget Review Subcommittee on Primary and Secondary Education of the Interim Joint Committee on Appropriations and Revenue was held on<Day> Thursday,<MeetMDY2> July 28, 2011, at<MeetTime> 10:00 AM, in<Room> Room 171 of the Capitol Annex. Senator Jared Carpenter, Chair, called the meeting to order, and the secretary called the roll.

 

Present were:

 

Members:<Members> Senator Jared Carpenter, Co-Chair; Representative Derrick Graham, Co-Chair; Senators Gerald A. Neal, and Ken Winters; and Representatives John "Bam" Carney, Will Coursey, Ted Edmonds, Dennis Horlander, Charles Miller, Carl Rollins II, and John Will Stacy.

 

Guests: Hiren Desai, Associate Commissioner, Office of Administration and Support, Kentucky Department of Education, John Oualline, Parson Commercial Technology Group, Inc., Ed Humble, MGT of America and Charlie Harman, Director, Division of Budget and Financial Management, Kentucky Department of Education.

 

LRC Staff: Greg Rush, Tom Willis, Linda Ellis, and Amie Elam.

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Chairman Carpenter requested a motion to approve the minutes of the June 28, 2011 meeting. A motion was made and the minutes were approved without objection.

 

Status Report on Review of Classification of Primary and Secondary School Buildings

In response to a question asked by Representative Stacy, Mr. Oualline stated that the 75/20/5 split in the weights of suitability versus condition is a recommendation from Parsons. He stated that in Parsonís experience the splits are a good breaking point between things that are strictly suitable compared with the condition cost.

 

Representative Stacy stated that age of the building has been used for two decades as the number one component of assessing the condition of a school. Mr. Desai stated that age is included in this formula under the condition category.

 

In response to a question asked by Representative Stacy, Mr. Oualline answered that LRC staff would be provided the information from the study in electronic form. Mr. Desai added that KDE wants to provide the General Assembly with all data but, in keeping with the goal of the project, it is important to keep the information fair and objective.

 

In response to a question from Representative Glenn, Mr. Oualline answered that over 65 different building systems are looked at when evaluating a school. There is a standard used called uniformat. Mr. Oualline added that this is a recognized approach for categorizing and prioritizing costs for each evaluating systems.

 

In response to a question from Representative Carney, Mr. Humble answered that the data that would allow him to compare Kentucky to other states, are far as condition and suitability, is not yet available. Mr. Humble stated that Kentucky is among the best as far as technology readiness. Mr. Oualline added that Kentucky schools are in slightly worse shape than most states.

 

Representative Henley stated that the Commonwealth may be making a mistake by not adding the energy and sustainability factor to the assessment. Representative Henley added that a school could hire a company to install energy efficient lights at no cost and then over time pay the company back with the savings.

 

Representative DeCesare stated that no one should be encouraging the department to weight the categories any differently as it defeats the purpose of getting a third party, non-partisan report.

 

In response to a question from Representative Miller, Mr. Desai answered that the reports will be able to review by school or by district.

 

In response to a question from Representative Meeks, Mr. Oualline answered that the report would not discuss the funding capability or source of funds at the district level. Representative Meeks asked that the separate report discussing funding capability be sent to the committee.

 

††††††††††† In response to a question from Representative Carney, Mr. Desai answered that districts will continue to do district facility plans.

 

In response to a question from Representative Adkins, Mr. Oualline answered that the final report will be available by November 30th. Mr. Oualline added that the majority of the evaluators are from out of state.

 

In response to a question from Representative Stacy, Mr. Desai said that he agreed that a category 5 school building under the old system will almost always be a category 5 building under the new system, if the first assessment was done fairly and objectively.

 

Summary/Comparison of State Grant Allocations- FY11 and FY12

In response to a question from Representative Carney, Mr. Desai stated that the allocations are formula driven. Mr. Desai also stated that the department is more than willing to walk each legislator through the individual district allocations should they wish to do so.

 

There being no further business before the subcommittee, the meeting was adjourned at 11:54 a.m.